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Occupy Division Street?

Local activist group Occupy Northfield hosts two teach-ins in December.

 

The Occupy movement has a presence in many cities across America.

As of September, Northfield ranks among those cities, with the formation of an activist organization called Occupy Northfield.

The organization, which was started by several Carleton College students interested in creating a group that could work in conjunction with Occupy Wall Street, now has approximately 65 members. Occupy Northfield meets Sundays in Carleton’s Skinner Chapel to discuss the role wealth plays in American politics.

“At the moment, folks with money in the country, the 1 percent, are controlling our political life,” said Bob Ciernia, a member of Occupy Northfield. "That has pretty significant outcomes when it plays out in our social and economic life."

Occupy Northfield has no designated leaders or formal goals, although Ciernia stated that the organization aims to create awareness and education about democracy. The group’s decision-making process is based on consensus through voting or discussion. 

Principles of consciousness-raising and social justice are at the core of Occupy Northfield, which is akin to the Civil Rights Movement or the Feminist Movement, said Ciernia.

“Wealthy corporations and people with extreme wealth have been able to really control much of what’s going on,” said Steve Janusz, a member of Occupy Northfield. “I see Occupy as a way of being able to rally us and help us learn.”

Occupy Northfield has organized two teach-ins during December.

The first is 9:30 a.m. Saturday, Dec. 10, at the Northfield Public Library.

Rob Hager, a Harvard-trained attorney, international consultant and volunteer with moneyouttapolitics.org, will lead the teach-in. Hager will discuss what the group describes as the 1 percent’s disproportionate political influence and possible solutions.

The second meeting is 6:30 p.m. Dec. 20 at Just Food Community Room.


IF YOU GO
WHAT: Occupy Northfield teach-ins
WHEN/WHERE: 9:30 a.m. Saturday at Northfield Public Library and 6:30 p.m. Dec. 20 at Just Food Community Room.
WHO: Open to the public


FOR MORE INFORMATION
Visit Occupy Northfield on Facebook

Related Topics: Activism, Bob Ciernia, Occupy Minneapolis, Occupy Minnesota, Occupy Northfield, Occupy Wall Street, Steve Janusz, and The 1 Percent
What's your reaction to the Occupy movement? Tell us in the comments.

Mike Carlier

9:31 am on Thursday, December 8, 2011

"Occupy Northfield has no designated leaders or formal goals..." I guess that about sums it up. Idealistic people, each with a different idea of Utopia, who want to effect change that cannot be accomplished by anyone admitting defeat and complying with their fragmented demands. In some respects, it's like a movement for world peace. Many would like it to happen, but nobody can make it happen. As an unbiased observer, the movement looks like blah, blah, blah, but not in unison, and each "blah" has its own unique meaning.

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Bill McGrath

1:25 pm on Thursday, December 8, 2011

Occupy Wall Street is a method of “Calling Attention To.” Participants are willing to maintain a prolonged physical presence on public property. There is a great deal of unique education taking place in the streets during these events. This is an education in altruism and empathy, as well as in factual information. Participants in OWS are finding out how a wide variety of people are being deprived of justice. The reason for this deprivation is that one percent of the nation controls more than 40 percent of the wealth. I’m 59. I can clearly remember when America was much more fair to the people in the middle and lower classes.

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Mike Carlier

1:46 pm on Thursday, December 8, 2011

Bill, I'm at least a contemporary, and I can remember when classes were not an object of social division and conflict. I think that was way back in 2008, maybe 2007. Certainly with more than half of America not paying income tax, many actually receiving dollars from other taxpayers, it's easy to see how fairness should come into play. Everyone should have skin in the game. Before demanding that others spend more, we should all be spending something. I think that the remaining Republican candidate from our state is a little weird, but I agree with her that everyone should have to pay something.

"...wide variety of people are being deprived of justice," Sorry, Bill, but there's a big difference between equal opportunity and equal distribution. Some would argue that Robin Hood and Jesse James were practicing justice, and some would not.

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Greg Kleese

5:32 pm on Friday, December 9, 2011

Hi Mike: It is 47% that don't pay federal income tax. Thus the conservative "We're the 53%" movement.

I do not support the ideals that you and MichelleI espouse but wanted to make an observation on the "skin in the game" comment. Federal income tax is not the only "skin". The bottom 20% of earners pay over 16% of their incomes in other taxes so I guess that is some skin. I couldn't find the figures for the next 27%, so I guess I am just assuming that it is likely that they also pay other taxes as well.

I'm not as old as you and Bill, but I did spend 4 years receiving dollars from other taxpayers when as a young parent attending college full time I received food stamps. I am very grateful for that program. It would make for a really clever blog if I had calculated the ROI from theose food stamps in terms of additonal tax dollars I have paid as a result of my college degree. Sorry to disappoint.

Is your reference to Robin Hood and Jesse James an indication that you fear that the Occupy folks are planning a robbery? ha!

Betsy Gasior

8:23 am on Friday, December 9, 2011

Here's what I posted on Patch's FB page about whether or not we should "Occupy Northfield":

"It would be a great way to drive business away from downtown. :P

Being in a large city in a park is one thing, but there really is no place in downtown Northfield for anyone that would want to do anything like this to not hurt local busi...ness owners by deterring traffic. If they wanted to do a demonstration, Central Park would be better...close, but won't hurt some of the folks they say they're trying to help...the small business owner."

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jenny gamer

1:37 pm on Friday, December 9, 2011

Occupy is winning.

"Standing room only, unanimous vote against 'corporate personhood': Money is not free speech

Thanks to ground work by the U.S. Green Party, the wave of Occupy Wall Street empowerment and Human Rights Alert, today, Los Angeles became the first major U.S. city to vote against corporate personhood and call for a Constitutional Amendment asserting corporations are not entitled to constitutional rights and that money is not free speech. The vote was unanimous."

You can read the rest at
www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/no-more-corporate-personhood-la-unanimous

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Mike Carlier

7:45 pm on Friday, December 9, 2011

Greg, sorry for the 4% error in my statement. I'll stipulate that you are correct because it is not really a substantial difference. Fact is that there are a lot of people who don't pay anything complaining that others, individuals and corporations are not paying enough. Unlike you, I did not ask or expect taxpayers to assist me in my business investment. Unable to afford raising a family and pay college prices, I was only able to sneak in and out of classes that I felt would help me reach my goal of an adequate education. It worked, but there was no official record that I could show to an employer and be rewarded with a fat paycheck.

I hope the dollars spent by taxpayers on your schooling were rewarded with your actions to grow the economy and to create jobs for others. FYI, my mention of Robin & Jesse was in reference to the difference between equal opportunity and equal distribution. I hope you're enjoying your taxpayer provided success.

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Greg Kleese

6:35 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011

Mike: Mis-representation of facts to further a point is not a % based sort of thing. Truths and falsehoods in a public dialog are always substantive wether they are presented by liberals or conservatives.

We dis-agree on your statement that a lot of people are paying nothing. The bottom 20% of earners in the US pays over 16% in taxes other than federal. Every adult in Northfield and Rice county pays some form of taxation.

In regard to our discourse on higher education. All public higher education that I am aware of receives tax generated assistance. I hope that you are enjoying a fair wage and good livelihood as a result of that taxpayer subsidy of your coursework.

I do think I have digressed so I appreciate the comment you made at the end of your blog regarding the difference between equal opportunity and equal distribution. It refocuses on the occupy movement. My limited understanding of the occupy movement it that neither is currently happening in America and thus their protests.

Mike Carlier

8:52 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011

Greg, your characterization of my number vs. your number as misrepresentation is laughable at best, and a reckless accusation in my opinion. I don't know whether your source is better or more accurate than mine, but I can assure you that both are not 100% accurate. What seems correct is that somewhere near half of us don't pay federal income tax, and many actually collect a share of what the other half pays.

I am not against a reasonable amount of government spending and assistance, even in some cases where it is a handout to persons who have deliberately chosen to game the system by choosing to go to school rather than support themselves and their families. I do believe though that it is not an entitlement, but something that belongs to those crafty enough to pursue it.

Equal opportunity is a floor enhanced by the foundations laid by relatives and associates. I don't think you would expect Bill Gates' mother to have helped you start a business like she helped her son. So you are correct to some degree that equal opportunity is not 100% equal. I think that's the way it should be, or should someone with nothing protest because you use your savings to help your kids?

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Larry Kachimba

1:13 am on Sunday, December 11, 2011

Mike's focus on the income tax distorts who pays taxes in America It is not unbiased. This is the same distortion that his weird hero Michele Bachman got caught making. Economists who look at all taxes, payroll taxes, regressive state sales taxes, property taxes, report that the US currently has a flat tax structure with the extremely rich and the extremely poor paying slightly less than others. Buffet pays a lower rate than his secretary.

The loss of progressive taxation, the original concept behind the 16th Amendment (authorizing income taxes), is one of several factors causing extreme inequality in the US which makes it an outlier in the developed world, and stagnates its economy. The US now ranks as the 41st most unequal country in the world - grouped with African dictatorships. As a result of the influence of money in politics and Mike's support there is nothing but Occupy to stand in the way of the US moving up the charts to become the #1 most unequal country in the world.

Mike may like living in a third world type system where corporations and the 1% rule by buying public policy for their own advantage. This is not the country the founders thought they were creating, when they said that government should have the consent of the governed. It now has the consent of the 1%, and the disdain of the overwhelming majority. Polls show that most Americans would prefer to live in a more equal country where every government policy is not rigged against them.

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Mike Carlier

8:36 am on Sunday, December 11, 2011

Larry also distorts who pays taxes in America. I am not thrilled to pay a portion of some corporation's income tax every time I buy a loaf of bread, and I don't want my taxes on bread raised further.

Perhaps Larry would prefer to live in a progressive country like Greece, Italy, or Norway. Perhaps they have the answer to the questions we are asking about our system. It would be great to hear how that would be better.

The solution to our political system lies deeper than reforming the tax schedule. With a member of the House aware that he/she has just a few months to fill the political war chest before the beginning of the next campaign, pandering to special interests becomes the only course of survival. We need to reexamine the basis of our political system and make whatever changes will allow the replacement of politicians with statesmen. That would likely mean a constitutional convention.

Back to the original theme of this discussion, the Occupy people have no core objectives and nobody is capable of admitting defeat and complying with their demands. Yes it would be nice of we could all be supported by those who have more than we have. Occupy can never win until they figure out what they're fighting for. They may have a knife in their hand, but they are trying to use the flat side of the blade instead of the cutting edge. A virtual scout jamboree will do little beyond create a nuisance.

Larry Kachimba

3:46 pm on Sunday, December 11, 2011

Occupy seeks to restore democracy under the Constitution where everyone, not just 1%, decides the kind of country we want to have. In a democracy the 1% robber-barons could not buy politicians to rewrite the rules for their own private profit. Without democracy no question unrelated to restoring democracy matters.

Occupy does not share Mike's obsession with taxes, but it is understandable. The Boston Tea Party principle that there should be no taxation without representation would exempt all but the 1% from taxes, because none but them control most representatives in Congress. The only skin most people have in their game of selling public policy for profit is the fleecing they get at tax time by a government that lacks the consent of the governed.

Occupy is an effective forum where 21st century patriots stand together for the Constitution against the 1% who have hijacked democracy, with the help of their politicians in robes they got onto the Supreme Court. Unlike Mike, Occupy is taking the time to get informed so as to avoid just such bad and impractical sound-bite ideas as Mike's constitutional convention suggestion. That idea would create many more problems than it could solve. If he had attended the Teach-in he would know that only ordinary legislation is required to get the Supreme Court out of elections and money out of politics.
Mike, get involved before deciding what Occupy is.

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Mike Carlier

4:14 pm on Sunday, December 11, 2011

Larry is still whining about the Supreme Court's decision to break the tie between GWB and one of the only two humans who could not beat him. I'm not interested in attending a contrived jamboree packed with opinions characterized as fact. When Occupy comes up with a set of actionable items and a viable plan for their implementation, I'll take a look. Until then, happy camping.

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